“Today, for example,” he continued, “in the war in Ukraine, there are many that want to be mediators, no? Turkey for example. Do not be ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

On March 8, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan offered to host a summit between Ukraine and Russia to end the war.

Francis said in the RSI interview that “the word ‘negotiate’ is a courageous word.”

“When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate,” he said. “Negotiations are never a surrender.”

The pope also repeated his offer to act as a mediator between the two countries.

In recent months Russia has gained an upper hand on the ground as Ukraine runs low on ammunition and manpower and its bid to garner additional military aid from the U.S. has stalled in Congress.