Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Parish in Bray (17)

Having spoken to a few men from the Parish who attended the recent meeting in Our Lady Queen of Peace about the Renovations/Restorations, they gave very interesting views of having had a verbal "sparring match" with the Parish Priest Fr. Larry White about the fact he DID NOT call a public meeting to consult the Parishioners of Our Lady Queen of Peace ("whose Church they reminded him it is") prior to him going ahead and finalising the plans to do all the work inside the Church.

By the time of this meeting he already had the big storage containers installed in the Church grounds to take the Church furniture during the work.

As stated before, this Church is run like a Communist regime, one person (Fr. Larry White) aided and abetted by his nearest and dearest "foot soldiers" who have agreed to go along with his plans, then decide to tell the Parishioners.

These men at the meeting told the Parish Priest THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES AND PARISHIONERS "ARE" the Parish and have a RIGHT TO BE CONSULTED "BEFORE" DECISIONS ARE MADE SIGNED AND SEALED.

The gentlemen at the meeting also told the Parish Priest Fr. Larry (the Bully) White of the fact it is "OUR" CHURCH, "OUR" PARISH, "OUR" PARISH CENTRE, WE FUNDRAISED AND BUILT THE CHURCH AND THE CENTRE and he is but one of the many Clergy passing through.

They wanted to know did the decision for the changes come from Archbishop's house but Fr. White said it was from him which we know enraged a lot of those present who said they certainly WOULD "NOT" BE PAYING FOR THE WORK FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS while he swans off to his next Parish (and the sooner the better).

The main problem is a non democratic Parish with a bully manipulating Parish Priest trained as a Psychotherapist to keep control of his close comrades that he has placed in all his Parish Committees to guarantee he gets the EGO BOOST at every meeting and all his plans passed.

Another Parishioner hinted that he did something similar in his last Parish and left it with massive debts.

Maybe someone should look into this.

He was in St. Mary's Lucan prior to Bray - are they still paying for his folly!!

YOUR GRACE ARCHBISHOP MARTIN WHERE ART THOU? You want to save money, you are cutting back on essential services within the Parishes in the Diocese so WHY IS THIS SMALL MAN WITH AN INFLATED EGO let lose the run of himself and do things in our Parish that nobody wants and will give us three quarters of a million Euro in debt????????

Of course we don't expect any help from you to take him down a peg or two when you have not even come out and called for Bishop Magee to step down but himed and hawed around the issue without saying anything positive.

Wait to see how many extra seats will be desserted in the Churches around the country this year.

You will soon only have each other as your audience - the laity will be gone because the really old foot soldiers are dying off due to age and the current and next generations are so disgusted with the entire Church they don't want to know any more and you really don't care........now do you????
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6 comments:

Margaret said...

Father, this may not be relevant for publication on your site but thought you would enjoy reading it.

We need some fiesty seniors like this to come out and tell the Church exactly what they think of them and how the Church has lost its way and vision in today's world since these Seniors were children.

This letter relates to the way financial institutions are treating us these days but there are a lot of comparisons to the treatment of Parishioners within the Church. It has got to be a hard nosed money grabbing Church, uncaring and unforgiving. It has also got quite unfashionable now to admit you are a member - its almost like saying a "dirty" word by saying I'm a Catholic!! Very, very sad. Who would have thought we would ever live to see the day.

I think we should all follow the example of the fiesty senior citizen aged 86 in USA who wrote the following letter. Like the Seniors who protested about the medical card cuts for them in Ireland, these Seniors take no prisoners, God Bless them all. They can tell the powers that be in our Banks or Church a thing or two. Maybe all our seniors and anyone whatever age should write to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin as well as the Bank they have their accounts in and state something similar to what this lady told her GREEDY MONEY GRABBING USA BANK. They should tell his Grace exactly what they think of our Church in Ireland today.

86-year old lady's letter to bank
Shown below, is an actual letter that was sent to a bank by an 86 year old woman. The bank manager thought it amusing enough to have it published in the New York Times.

Dear Sir:

I am writing to thank you for bouncing my check with which I endeavored to pay my plumber last month.

By my calculations, three nanoseconds must have elapsed between his presenting the check and the arrival in my account of the funds needed to honor it.

I refer, of course, to the automatic monthly deposit of my entire pension, an arrangement which, I admit, has been in place for only eight years. You are to be commended for seizing that brief window of opportunity, and also for debiting my account $30 by way of penalty for the inconvenience caused to your bank. My thankfulness springs from the manner in which this incident has caused me to rethink my errant financial ways.

I noticed that whereas I personally answer your telephone calls and letters, --- when I try to contact you, I am confronted by the impersonal, overcharging, prerecorded, faceless entity which your bank has become. From now on, I, like you, choose only to deal with a flesh-and-blood person.

My mortgage and loan repayments will therefore and hereafter no longer be automatic, but will arrive at your bank, by check, addressed personally and confidentially to an employee at your bank whom you must nominate.

Be aware that it is an offense under the Postal Act for any other person to open such an envelope. Please find attached an Application Contact which I require your chosen employee to complete. I am sorry it runs to eight pages, but in order that I know as much about him or her as your bank knows about me, there is no alternative.

Please note that all copies of his or her medical history must be countersigned by a Notary Public, and the mandatory details of his/her financial situation (income, debts, assets and liabilities) must be accompanied by documented proof.

In due course, at MY convenience, I will issue your employee with a PIN number which he/she must quote in dealings with me.

I regret that it cannot be shorter than 28 digits but, again, I have modeled it on the number of button presses required of me to access my account balance on your phone bank service. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Let me level the playing field even further.

When you call me, press buttons as follows:

IMMEDIATELY AFTER DIALING, PRESS THE STAR (*) BUTTON FOR ENGLISH

#1. To make an appointment to see me.

#2. To query a missing payment.

#3. To transfer the call to my living room in case I am there.

#4. To transfer the call to my bedroom in case I am sleeping

#5. To transfer the call to my toilet in case I am attending to nature.

#6. To transfer the call to my mobile phone if I am not at home.

#7. To leave a message on my computer, a password to access my computer is required. Password will be communicated to you at a later date to that Authorized Contact mentioned earlier.

#8. To return to the main menu and to listen to options 1 through 7.

#9. To make a general complaint or inquiry. The contact will then be put on hold, pending the attention of my automated answering service.

#10. This is a second reminder to press * for English. While this may, on occasion, involve a lengthy wait, uplifting music will play for the duration of the call.

Regrettably, but again following your example, I must also levy an establishment fee to cover the setting up of this new arrangement. May I wish you a happy, if ever so slightly less prosperous New Year?

Your Humble Client

(Remember: This was written by an 86 year old woman) 'YA JUST GOTTA LOVE ' US SENIORS' !!!!!
And remember: Don 't make old ladies mad. They don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to set them off.

Anonymous said...

The 2009 Church "HYPOCRITE OF THE YEAR AWARD" goes to this Parish Priest at Our Lady Queen of Peace Bray.

This morning at 10 a.m. Mass with a very sad face the Parish Priest said we should think of all those who have just heard they have lost their jobs and been laid off because it is a devastating time for them and their families etc. etc.

This coming from the award winner "Hypocrite of the Year" who caused this devastating time for the last three plus years to the former Parish Secretary who worked at Our Lady Queen of Peace Bray whom he unfairly dismissed because "she was given knowledge of things regarding his private life and he did not like it and felt the Secretary was a threat and had to go".

Said Secretary has battled for the last 3+ years for an apology and reinstatement to her job which was unfairly taken from her. To date she has spent €26,000 in legal fees while the Church and Parishioners cough up the fees for Fr. White. Proof that she was excellent in her job can be seen on Indymedia in a letter from previous Parish Priest Canon MacMahon who had hired the Secretary in the first instance and said reference letter was given to her just two months before the Court hearing praising her good work in the Parish. That was 18 months after her unfair dismissal so he gave her letter to help her case. Fr. Larry White and his legal team refused to have that letter seen or read by the Unfair Dismissal Tribunal (surely it would have damaged his case).

The Secretary won her first case before the Rights Commissioner for Fr. White not giving her any written Contract for the 3 years she worked for him in spite of him and his legal team declaring they had. Unfortunately for them no signed contract existed or could be produced in spite of PP producing a typed one and saying it was legal but unsigned by either party (!!!)and aftrer many protests from the PP the Rights Commissioner believed the Secretary who told the truth and awarded the case to her with Fr. White being in breach of the Labour Laws regarding contract. This can also be seen on Indymedia.

The second Unfair Dismissal case has been appealed due to the fact the Tribunal were bowing and scrapiing to the Parish Priest because he put his collar on 5 minutes before the hearing (but never normally wears one) and they also refused to issue a Witnesses Summons for a very "relevant witness"
whom Fr. White did not want to appear under "any circumstances" so it was not a level playing field but a stitch up job for the hearing when the Church had the power to order that Witness Summons not be granted.

The Tribunal also refused at Fr. White and his legal teams request too disallow a recording of very relevant verbal evidence that would have thrown his case out!!!!

A BIG CAT WOULD HAVE ESCAPED FROM THE BAG HAD THE WITNESS SUMMONS BEEN GRANTED OR THE RECORDING HEARD -
BUT BOTH WILL HAPPEN YET IF IS TAKES 10 MORE YEARS as the good news is that the Secretary is NEVER GIVING UP until the truth comes out.

There have been too many cover ups and lies and denials.

There is also an Equality Hearing case still pending regarding porn and sexual Harrassment in the workplace that the Secretary complained about 2 months before her dismissal but the man at the centre of things stayed in his job for a further 2 years. Letter from FAS held by Secretary proves this as fact and said letter can also be seen on Indymedia.

The Secretary always said that the job was a vocation not just a secretarial job and it is quite disgusting now for her to hear Parishioners whom you would not normally hear swear curse the persent lady (???) in the job to high heaven for her Ignorance and general bad manners. They are treated like they should not interrupt her but that is what she is paid and there for. They were used to being greeted with a smile and being cared about and people who treat others with such contempt are not worthy to hold the position they were just dumped into on the whim of the Hypocrite of the Year Award Winner. He has brought the Parish to its knees since his arrival. The cronies who surround him in all the jobs are giving the entire place a really bad name.

By the way he looks a shadow of his former self so we think the pidgeons are coming home to roost for him or will shortly. You can't get away with abuses forever.

If anyone out there has any information on a Dr. Damian Mohan Forensic Psychiatrist and his connections with the Catholic Church in Ireland can you please email clerical whispers about same to be passed on to us. This man without a medical or psychological test, a second opinion, talking to a person's GP or seeing their lifelong medical records, can meet a stranger for 2 hours and on behalf of the Church end your working life without any form of appeal. This is another person who plays God so our Parish Priest and himself are well matched. Please do if you have ANY information pass it on as we will be most grateful.

Like with all the abuse cases even with the above strange way of doing things for a medical specialist the Irish Medical Council did not feel there was a case to investigate said Doctor. Mary Harney passed letters on to HSE and others but still no satisfaction.

When the Church can get the answers it wants from ANYONE legal, medical, State, what hope has the private citizen against them. Nothing but corruption from the top of the Church down and we sadly let them away with it but not this time this will continue for as long as it takes...................

Anonymous said...

she could have been useful during the recent war in the middle east , she cud have talked the israeli's to death. there is other matters going on in this world in case she thinks the whole world should shut up shop hold their breath and just listen to her , My God ,is it any wonder she got the jackboot out of the church parish office .

Anonymous said...

Well the GOOD THING is as much bad publicity as possible for one Bully Parish Priest and it is being read as writer can attest so keep them coming.

He and Sr. P***y deserve all the C**P that goes their way for wrongdoings and its consequences.

Telling it like it is said...

Michael Bradshaw have you ever heard the one about IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE?

23 years chasing after ex wife, her new man, her Solicitor, her kids, I have still got my family all of them. You have lost your wife, kids, brothers and sisters.

Recommend not to cast the first stone.

You are banned on Indymedia that is the only reason you are taking your insults to this site because the Rev. Father prints all comments.

Time to put your ghosts to bed.

The hatred and abuse in your Indymedia posts were quite frightening even veiled threats which nobody wants.

Let there be peace.

My case in Wicklow was justified and won. The Equality hearing regarding porn in the Parish has yet to be heard and the Unfair Dismissal is under appeal.

Nobody not even a Priest has the right to take another's good name by way of buying a corrupt report and that is why this will continue until there is justice.

You even phoned said Priest with abuse many times because he would not eject your wifes ex from Parish Centre so give it up.

Margaret Owens has NOT existed since March 1972.

Ex Parishioner said...

Before Michael Bradshaw posted his nasty comments 2nd above he had posted this other comment below on your site on December 5, 2008 and also on Indymedia. What do they say about turncoats????

Michael like the Parish Priest of the Church, when you lose their favour (even though having never met said Michael) they turn things very nasty and abusive so guess they are two of a kind.

When saying ex Parishioner the best thing one could do at Queen of Peace Bray for Lent was to entirely give up attendance there which is what I have done. NO mass weekdays or Sundays - not having to look at a hypocrite Priest preach when it is 100% lies and insincere. Who needs that.

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From Dec. 5, 2008

Further to the above well researched posting I imagine this little titbit should find itself at home in the Parish of Our Lady Queen Of Peace Putland Road, Bray, County Wicklow.

I am a member of the largest army in Ireland and was an alter boy at 8 years of age till 14.

I Served under priests such as Very Rev. Father Courtney, Father Fitzgerald, Father Hastings, Father Breen and often served mass at 6am to facilitate Young Ladies and Young Men who were 'on their way to England 'as soon as 6am mass was over most of whom were In The Family Way.

The above mentioned Priests were lovely ,kind and understanding and unlike the Former P.P. WHO IS ON SICK LEAVE , in my humble opinion they were gentlemen who walked the walk and talked the talk.

My children also attended this church on their way to Growing Up etc.

What do I see today ?

I see a Fás Centre with a Church in the Grounds , a system revolving around money and local nod and wink brigade, I see a Lady who has been Hurt deep down in her heart, bullied, ridiculed from the altar by a former P.P.who is as cunning as a fox and a hypocrite to boot.

The Church i refer to was run by that gouger who ought to hang his head in shame for the atrocious behaviour towards the parish secretary and his bitterness towards mankind in general.

Do they give a tuppenny f*** about you or I when we are seeking solace or when the needy are in temporary''crisis'', Divil a bit they do not.

When they have contacts in the local Garda force who are quite prepared to intimidate the parish secretary to the point of terror during ''An Interview '' in order to appease Silver Daddy whilst he gorges on Single Malt Whiskey tuned into his Digital Pay Per View Golf and other sports, kindly financed by parishioners who have at last seen the light.

I had reason to speak to the above on a number of occasions in relation to Family Matters and was met with a brick wall of incompetence by Silver Daddy who has earned his place in the history books as bringing shame upon a parish which I still hold dear to my heart.

As for The Parish Secretary ,the lady will also earn her place in the history books as a pioneer who took Silver Daddy ON and simply told THE TRUTH taking the flak and suffering in silence 24/7 while the parishioners were drip fed lie after lie after lie.

My all time favourite poem written by Rudyard Kipling ,entitled ''IF'' is dedicated to Ms Margaret Owens the REAL Parish Secretary.